Clear editor. This process was usually used where we would have used epoxy, but we wanted fast progress, say with complex attachments or critical alignments. When I first started using the stuff in the 80's, I'd buy big bottles of CA, and pump spray bottles of accelerator, then store them in the same cabinet. Thanks for the clarification. Manage Consent. CA accelerator spray works in seconds — literally — and so I wanted to see if any of the ideas presented could come close. Thread: Substitute for CA Accelerator? Also known as super glue, what is activator made of? These are really not new, just new marketing. Lack of humidity in the air can also affect curing times. Toluidine (or something like that) seems to be a ingredient in several activators MSDSs but in small ratios so that might be the actual accelerant. Up to $200 a day. Spoiler alert… they didn’t. Just mix 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda into 1/4 cup of purified water. Knowing how it works,and how cheap it is, I would not experiment with other methods of curing agents and stick withthe proven commercially designed CA specific accelerators. At wwa, Marc Adams talked about windex being a substitute for accelerator. It depends on how viscous the glue is, and the thickness of the application. ", Just guessing He tested 8 cans to fine the best spray tip/white spot free brand. To avoid clogging the tip, don’t touch it to the work or any surface, and don’t poke pins or nails into the opening either. July 23, 2013 in General Woodworking Talk. A little more research…Wikipedia:In general, cyanoacrylate is an acrylic resin that rapidly polymerises in the presence of water (specifically hydroxide ions), forming long, strong chains, joining the bonded surfaces together. I'm also trying to save my pennies, but decided not to reinvent the wheel and eventually got a spray can of accelerator, http://www.toolking.com/fastcap-2p-10-soloact-activator-spray-for-2p-10-adhesive. Run a bead of glue on one surface, spray the other with accelerator, put them together and within literally seconds, it’s rock solid. tip sprayed large droplets and left white spots, the same same as a pump accelerator I played with. If you search Amazon, there are several brands of this stuff but as jbay stated, most really only works well if you can get the UV light to the entire glue joint. Another vote for making sure the surfaces have moisture in them. Jim Finn. Funny I had only heard about using CA and baking soda as a hard filler, mainly for guitar repairs etc. #4 – Accelerator application method tip: Aerosol or pump spray bottles are convenient way to apply accelerator. 69 They have “Extreme Power Accelerator” in a 2 oz spray bottle for $4.99. Akfix-GA060 705 Fast Adhesive CA Glue (1.76 oz.) 50 ($1.56/Fl Oz) FREE Shipping. im using it to speed up inlay drying. -- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. Also, if you run a bead of glue and spray it directly, you can watch the phase change. Terms of Service No idea what it was. ...I m no chemist, but I think Acetone is a form of alcohol ...- clin. Here is timberbits video, (http://www.timberbits.com/blog/?p=345), We can't get "Glen 20" in the U.S.,  But it's just Spray Disinfectant same as say Lysol. The dust will fill the visible gap, and seal out air; which allows the CA to cure as designed without accelerator. But it still “mixes” with water. NCF Quick accelerator for CA glue can also help by cleaning and preparing the surface. Joined Aug 6, 2009 Messages 6,424 Location Australia - SA Adelaide Hills. Some modelers use saliva (ew). Or heck, just some cheap bourbon might work. I’ve had the same can for ~4 years, for example, and it’s still a third full. Latest Projects | Thanx for the replies & suggestions. Why not just buy a really big bottle of the real stuff? " Timberbits.com uses a product called glen 20. But, I got it, acetone is not a form of alcohol. I don’t mind paying $12 every four or five years. cessna you said it looks ugly did you ever mix it with water thats what the directions that i found say to do. N,N-Dimethyl-p-toluidine I think the name of the stuff in CA accelerant. Will also try the same with acetone. I'll third that! How much CA are we going to waste along the way? the qtip would stick but an eye droper would use minimal accelerator right where I want it. The CA glue accelerant is a solvent based product that can be applied before and/or after CA glue application. with Activator (6.76 fl oz.) You can post now and register later. Your dentist has probably been using them for years. If your joint is not tight, then it does not cure well and suggest you need a different glue? For the record, when I checked this morning, all of the samples were rock solid, so while the water, etc didn’t perform as well as the spray, they didn’t inhibit final curing. 69 Also, most CA adhesives that I have used recommend a clean, dry surface so it seems like water would not be the best choice. Your hobby shop probably carries a private label of Insta-Set products as well, they just cost more. × and if it works its a really cheap alternative that i can use until i can afford to buy some new bottles. I’m no chemist, but I think Acetone is a form of alcohol and alcohols blend well with water and absorb water easily. Because of this cyanoacrylate is applied thinly, to ensure that the reaction proceeds rapidly for bonding. I used it a lot when I was building model airplanes and never paid for an accelerator. More Buying Choices $20.74 (3 new offers) Satellite City QA-6 NCF Quick Aerosol Accelerator 6 oz. 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